Even this decert effort is a delay tactic for bargaining. If it successful, company wins. If it isn't successful, company wins by delaying bargaining while we have really strong environmental leverage. Everyone says a downturn is coming, if they can delay this long enough to put us in that downswing, it gives them leverage.

And when that downswing occurs and if we don't have a CBA... guess who is getting a haircut? I can tell you it won't be management.