Originally Posted by
NoValueAviator
Honestly the LGA consolation prize is pretty cool, it's a shame they didn't extend it to the guys who got the flush before the LOA somehow though.
Get used to new hires benefitting while those already here realize none of the gains. Pretty soon those guys with the positive space to/from NY and the unlimited hotels will inevitably complain about it and then you'll find yourself reminding them that "the guys who got the flush before the LOA" never had that little benefit.
But then watch the same thing happen over and over and over for years, and it will start to become a bit tedious when they try to remind you that "times are different" and just because they had better timing than you, that doesn't give you the right to remind them of how good they have it compared to you. Then maybe they'll casually suggest they start their own union once they "have the numbers".
If there's one thing I think everyone is missing it's this. PPs don't want the newer guys to go through the same struggles as they went through. And even though it gets a bit annoying when people complain about having to be on reserve for a few months, everyone's situation is relative. It would be strange if they didn't complain. It's just human nature. The biggest issue is when the newer guys complain about the PPs finally actually benefiting from something, when they have no knowledge of, or seemingly no interest in, understanding the history of this place since the bankruptcy and merge.
When the MEC (elected by the PPs) voted in the pay structure that would make us competitive in terms of attracting new hires, it created an environment where movement here would skyrocket. And it did. Everything improved dramatically from time on reserve, time to hold desired base and/or equipment, upgrade time, and even flow time. The reality is that it took the PPs 6 or 7 years to realize any of these improvements (most of which were reserved for new hires), yet said new hires benefited day 1 of being on property.
No one should be upset that timing has worked out great so far for those just recently hired. That's just the way this industry is. But the new guys should at the very least understand their audience. When guys had to deal with being furloughed, when time to flow was over 15 years, and upgrade time was around 11 years, the last thing the PPs would do is complain to their CAs about FO reserve. Or that after 3 years they should be upgrading, etc.
TLDR: just as the PPs would complain about the gummers/lifers years ago, the newer guys will complain about the PPs. And the newer guys will eventually complain about the even newer guys. And vice versa all around. Just remember, those who have been here the longest have the most experience (not just flying here, but with management, contracts, union stuff, etc). I won't speak for all PPs, but I think most would just like it if more new guys would seem to realize that and tailor their interactions accordingly.