Originally Posted by
RyanP
Hah, no kidding.
I couldn't get hired elsewhere off the street even as a check airman. *At a Legacy carrier that I actually wanted to work for that is*. Now currently working at AA anyway, whether they wanted to hire me or not, haha, due to flow, and I am based at home. Paid Eagle dues. Flow worked contrary to garbage posted on the internet. Took a while but I have my seniority number now at the worlds largest airline before the biggest pilot retirement wave in history. Not a terrible place to be IMO. Envoy sucks, no denying it. All regionals suck. At least Envoy people have a backup plan B to get to a Legacy carrier. That does work.
PS, when I got hired at Eagle a little over a decade ago there was NO flow agreement for us, so counting that time to flow seems kind of stupid anyway, we just had flow backs from AA working at Eagle from a prior agreement that didn't apply to us and no promise of anything except $23/hr and a kick in the nuts regularly. Until what, something like 2012 when they gave us that deal? A Lot of BS happened in between back then and now, very few people hired for several years, there was a bankruptcy, consolidation, and all kinds of mess. That flow time will drop rapidly again. Just like the big drop from 2004-2007 with nobody hired. We went from 16 yrs on property to 11 yrs to flow overnight when it hit that gap. Another BIG drop in time will happen again when it hits the next hiring gaps. That's how it drops to 6-8 yrs. Again, despite BS internet beliefs. Seniority list says it all. Look at the hire dates/numbers. Do the math. Not that hard.
I guess I could have gotten hired at a turdbox like Allegiant years ago too since they called me incessantly from an app I put in back in like 2007 but why would I want to do that? Then I'd never get to AA.. well maybe I would one day in like 2034 after 12000 more flows/military pilots are hired and The pool is completely dried up. Then I could sit at the bottom of the stagnant seniority list for a couple years until retirement.
Ryan, I’m sorry you were trapped in the lost decade and your Envoy resume wasn’t good enough to get you in the door at a legacy. Flowing through is a nice consolation prize.
I wouldn’t knock a career at Allegiant or any LCC for that matter. The lifestyle and pay far exceed the pay, QOL and abuse you suffer at Envoy. I was completely prepared to spend a career here. I got hired at a time when upgrades were under a year so I upgraded and got 500 PIC.
I have continued to aggressively pursue United, Delta and Southwest in the meantime and finally landed a Delta interview 2 weeks ago and have been hired. I am in my 2 week notice period here now.
Perhaps consider leaving the arrogant attitude at home and maybe someone besides Allegiant would have contacted you.