Originally Posted by
rmr1992
Here's a potential fun fact... rumor has it from recent interviewees that they are being told we will have a contract "soon". I wonder what soon means? Can any recent new hires/interviewees confirm/deny?
FWIW, After over a year hiatus, negotiations have been going since last July within a "framework agreement" (aka schedule and rules for negotiations) that has already been extended once due to an inability to complete it within the planned timeline. This framework has three blocks and was supposed to be completed, if I recall correctly, in January 18. As of this date, block 2 is still far from complete (ZERO areas with a TA and 1 still open from Block 1) and ZERO items in Block 3 have been discussed/proposed for discussion. There's 35 areas/articles to be discussed with 14 TAs so far, one TA reached since Sep 17 on a Block 1 item, last month. Six months and only ONE TA. Soon? That sounds like a relative term. At the current pace, no exaggeration, it will be another 2+ years before an agreement is reached. I wouldn't call that "soon". In case you were wondering, while all articles can have some economic impact, block 3 has the predominantly high economic impact areas. Regardless, one side appears to be stalling/delaying/slow-rolling discussion of blocks 2 & 3 while they hope to win an arbitration slated for late summer/early fall that would allow them to force an arbitrated process down the throat of the other side. In the mean time it's a daily grind to defend the limited protections of the current contract while having your awarded schedule "optimized" to reduce an awarded schedule that was built/advertised in the bid to credit well above guarantee to something close to min guarantee when it comes time for execution (because we have no pay/line protection other than the monthly min guarantee). If all of this is appealing to you then I hear they are still taking apps/interviewing for the sole remaining 747 class this year and the 767 classes we hear they will be running every 3 weeks from now until who knows when. But be careful, they may also offer you a "better fit" for a 777 class... Highly recommended if you like circumnavigating the planet 3 times in 20 days under a bankruptcy contract that pays the lowest rates of any operator of that type of equipment and has the worst work rules most pilots can imagine.
This guy knows what he's talking about... The crazy thing is that they lie about things like the time frame for a new contract when they won't even close out the non economic items in block 1.
The truth is that over 3 years ago we were told by the Director of the Training center that we'd have "An American Airlines Like Contract in 1 year".
I also know that Dietrich told us in a meeting two months ago that "Both Atlas and Southern would receive improvements in pay, WORK RULES, and retirement." When pressed on the matter he was asked to put it in writing that we'd get improvements in WORK RULES and he dodged the question. When pressed to put it in writing again he dodged the question a 2nd time.
It's clear that their intention is to arbitrate poor work rules into the new contract. Expect zero improvements on retirement so you can subtract 16% from what ever the new rate is to fund your own retirement.
The overall intention is a shiny new rate that gets people in the door and who cares who leaves after being abused under poor work rules. As a bonus for hanging your hat at Atlas you'll get to be a Wal Mart Greeter in retirement and star in an ETRADE commercial...
Over 1/3rd of Atlas Captains have no retirement savings...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d56-22bpyh0