Originally Posted by
Hercbubba
I usually don’t agree with P-3 guys, but I agree with you.
Q, POG and a few other “NO” sayers are about 1% of the company.
They’re negative, naive, and sarcastic responses are now just a waste of their time, since they don’t have any realistic facts to back up what they say.
Based on the points the MEC put out, and the pay rates, it’s obviously something everyone should look fwd to reading page by page.
We can now make a respectable living with our peers. Making 130-180 thousand a year as a minimal working FO, or 220/250 a year as a CA is pretty respectable. Can it be better...sure, but at what expense.
I will continue to look at the positive. I really believe this was the best the MEC could negotiate. If you think you can negotiate better than the 12 reps did, then maybe think about running as the next member, or seriously think about applying to a company with a better contract.
When we have wide bodies, and fly to over 200 cities more than once a day, then maybe we’ll get a legacy contract.
I came to JB because it went ALPA, if they stayed non union, I never would have applied. The next contract will hopefully be better, but right now, I think after reading the whole TA, we will be right where our peers are, and better.
In case you didn’t know, our peers are SWA, AK and HA, not AA, Delta, and UAL. Sorry, but the truth hurts!
I usually don't agree with herc guys, and I don't agree with this either. Let's break it down. This isn't 1% of the company that is underwhelmed...it's the majority of people I've anecdotally surveyed across a huge mix of seats/equipment/bases. Some are still leaning yes for the aforementioned reasons in my previous posts. Does SWA fly wide bodies? No...that isn't part of our equation when comparing NB rates. So we should expect to get paid the same NB rates as our peers, just as they do. We make more profit than the legacies per seat. We don't need wide bodies or a large international network to be more profitable than they are. We throw money to tech ventures and other various non-airline investments. We have plenty of money to pay pilots. Plenty.
Our peers aren't AA/DL/UAL? You may wanna go ask the NC/MEC about that. That's false. They absolutely are our peers. The company takes pride in disrupting their products and outdoing them, and driving change in the industry.