Originally Posted by
Bluedriver
Q, take it down two notches.
You're not exactly wrong, but the majority of the group is just not where you are. Seriously.
The group can't get to where you are leading them if they have no appetite for that fight. You are ****ing into the wind and wasting a tremendous amount of your time, and our time in the process. BECAUSE THE GROUP DOESN'T WANT THIS FIGHT AT THIS TIME.
Besides all that, we don't have the full language yet, so this discussion is even more pointless. I agree with you, there is very likely not going to be any unicorn language that makes this great. But the majority seems completely intent on seeing the language before making a judgement. Since it is obviously the case that the group wants to see the language first, before making a judgement, how can you not see that you are just wasting your time???
Even after the language, assuming the language doesn't make this thing super awesome, if the group simply doesn't want this fight (because they (group majority) are satisfied with 5th out of 6th for the better part of the next decade) then you are just wasting your time!
Furthermore, I have to agree with others, something just doesn't add up with you. I am still not convinced you are a JB line pilot.
You're Mel Gibson in Braveheart, but with no one standing behind you bud.
So, you either are everything you say you are but it's NOT working.
Or you are F & H and it's NOT working.
If you really are a JB line pilot, wait until the language comes out. Gauge the groups reaction to it and gauge the groups appetite for the hard fight ahead. If you see an opening, lead.
If not, if it's like right now, you're just ****ing into a hurricane.
BD
BD, you can say whatever you want. It's unfortunate that
you have chosen to be defeated. The most important thing you can do now is to let people know the process and the law.
People need to know they have options and not just "
if we don't accept this, it could be years and years before we get another AIP". There are people in the world that make real sacrifices for what they believe in. This is a first world problem and using our voices is hardly a sacrifice (neither is standing in a freezing picket line, by the way). It's not like you're
standing in front of a tank in Tiananman square. So we really have no reason to think that we can't individually make a difference. The majority of people read these forums but don't post. So whatever concept you have of whether "it's working or not" is only your opinion. I guarantee you that not fighting for a better workplace is only the recipe for a track record of failure (e.g. 3 attempts to get ALPA here because most BJ pilots are too defeated to know better).
If things don't add up, it's because you're too used to being a BJ pilot. You don't live in the real world where people stand up for themselves and their profession. It's a shame that this pilot group is so defeated/conquered that these concepts are so alien to them.
Why else would you guys be so opposed to demanding better pay and rates? We can wait for the language but not much will be better, unless the language outright contradicts the AIP bulletpoints. In the meantime, we are wasting more time by not demanding much, much more of B6ALPA.
Can you tell me why people are making the argument that Alaska+1 is the best we'll ever get out of the RLA process? If we read the law, clearly every single decision step of the RLA gives us the option for voluntary settlement. If the national board says that an airline of our size and scope is most comparable to Alaska, why are people believing that we have to accept that? According to the law, we simply reject the board's recommendation. So you see, there are lots of false ideas floating around. They don't have to settle for the table scraps offered by BJ and B6ALPA. We own B6ALPA and they have to do what we say, or we fire them.
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