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Bozo the pilot
When has a company not tried to limit everything a pilot group has asked for? Why would they let us eliminate it completely? We state our desire, they state their limits. Negotiations.
My point about the length of a 100% restrictive contract is that its not possible. We negotiate to a point where we feel we get enough restriction or at least some restriction and then we move on to the other parts of Scope like FFD/M&A etc. Could we have stipulated more of a growth number? Sure. As well we could have gotten pay higher/benefits and profit sharing. I am okay with the section including the Codesharing language.
I see why you want elimination of codeshares just like SWA, but do you want their work rules. At some point you have to accept the give and take of the process.
In respect BN.
Navy had a great explanation. The FAQ is down playing the issue. The codeshare would be intra-cali and intra-west. We CAN'T fly those routes because there are NO more gates available at the premium airports, which would be at one end of each leg we would codeshare on. To fly the routes we would codeshare on, we would instead have to build a robust intra-cali/west route network. We can't (no gates) and we haven't and we won't (cost to develop is way more than JB is willing to RISK and INVEST). Buy VA was the strategy to begin a West coast network, it failed. You won't like the new strategy nearly as much.
I can virtually guarantee our JB NC opening position was NO domestic codeshare, like SW. The company would have refused. Our fallback position was highly likely to be very limited domestic codeshare. The company again refused.
We ended up with almost unrestricted domestic codeshare because the company demanded it.
In this contract the company didn't really give up ANYTHING it held completely sacred, except MAYBE 5hr ADG. We went into this virtually demanding better healthcare and improvements to the unilateral profit sharing plan they crammed down our throats. We failed.
We got RJ scope (because the company had no intention of capacity purchase agreements, still glad we got it in writing) and we DIDN'T achieve strong limits on domestic codesharing because the company refused (we may very well learn why soon enough).