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Old 06-29-2018 | 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by akfr8r
I’m on the 73, bud. It’s funny how the HNL crowd seems to think they’re gonna be insulated from all the crap flying forever. You guys think you’ll never have to do a 17-day run around the world or any LRD flying because you’re HNL-based. You’ll come to understand in time that those distinctions mean nothing to NAC. If it suits them to run rubber ducks out of Hong Kong with HNL crews, that’s exactly what they’ll do. Or close HNL on the 767 and open a CVG base. Or run ad-hoc lines for LRD out of the HNL base. You should all vote accordingly.
Isn't the point of having a contract with rules, that the company can't do the things like you stated above. They can only do the things you say if you let them. I think you guys are just used to letting the company do stuff because you didn't have language in your current contract to prevent it. Who would sit reserve and agree to only get paid if you fly but you guys agreed to it in your last contract. From what I know about NAC is was not too long ago you guys had no contract. From what my friends told me about your current TA you now have a vast improvement from what you had before and light years ahead of what you had just a few years ago. But seems like that is not good enough for you, you want to have an industry leading contract. But the fact is you are a tiny company with only three 767s and a handful of 737s, you can't expect to have what everyone else has. If it bothers you so much, why not go work for one of the other guys. Like you said , everyone is hiring.

As for what you said about IBT using scare tactics, well I guess you have not been around airline negotiations for too long. Yes, there is a time to hold strong but you have to have some leverage to do so. You seem to think that just because everyone is hiring that the company will not be able to replace you. That is not true in your case. I'll bet half the pilots in HNL and half in ANC have lived there for a long time and they will not be picking up and moving and they ain't going to start commuting from those places. So they will take what they can get from this contract and go after more the next time. Out of the rest, ya some might move on, but the company will not have a hard time replacing them. Look, in Hawaii, Island Air is out of business so where do you think young pilots starting out will go now? Commute to the west coast at Skywest or Compass or go to Aloha Cargo. And in your other base in MIA, well it will not be a problem finding 767 drivers who want to be based in MIA. First rule in negotiations is to not under-estimate your enemy. The company knows all the above too well so saying they will not be able to hire is laughable to them.

It sounds like this is your first airline and it did not turn out to be what you expected it to be, so maybe for you it is time to move on. But just remember the grass is not always greener on the other side. I have friends that work at all the cargo guys and even the ones at Fedex and UPS complain about their contract. Just human nature my friend, we all want what the other guy has. But with airline contracts you really just need to ask your self, "will this contract improve my life for the next 4-5 years til we can go at them again?" It is the nature of negotiations, neither side gets everything they want.
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