Originally Posted by
akfr8r
Listen, it’s a stupid argument anyway. Nobody is saying the fence situation shouldn’t be the way it is. The fact is that when NAS decided to merge the airlines, the status of the AAC guys’ claim to that flying definitely wasn’t set in stone, which is why you all were losing your minds when the news broke.
The good news is that Karp actually decided to do right by you guys and made sure you held onto it, and our Union reps didn’t want to fight it. It would have been a nasty situation, and nobody wanted that. But you guys are definitely overstating how ironclad your rights to that flying are. They aren’t. That’s why you were all going nuts when the merger was announced. But like I said, the argument is pointless. What’s done is done.
What we should be talking about is the viability of this CBA. Not calling each other names and getting emotional like a bunch of idiots.
Aloha guys were ****ed because it appeared as though we were getting close to a TA’d contract and then NAS announced the merger and that ended contract talks with Aloha. It was pretty obvious that NAS was negotiating in bad faith with every intention of having us renegotiate everything in a JCBA. If there was no merger announcement Aloha pilots would probably be flying that route by now. For NAC pilots to say that aloha is basically a box sorter for ATI shows a lack of understanding of the agreements that were made with Alohas pilot group and what cargo contracts Aloha currently flys on that route. Crazycoconut was just stating how we got here with the AAC 767 program.
The way this 767 program has been run so far has cost everyone a bunch of time and money unnecessarily. Hopefully the dust settles soon and AAC/NAC pilots will be flying the 767 as one pilot group.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Fences (which really only protect the initial group of 767 pilot slots for each base) were negotiated and arbitrated in the SLI committee. Karp had nothing to do with it.
I have my own opinions on the JCBA. Some good some bad. I think our union reps worked incredibly hard to get a contract that they believe is acceptable to the majority of the pilot group and they should be commended for their efforts. It is now up to each pilot to become educated on what’s in the JCBA and decide whether it’s acceptable to them or not and vote accordingly. I look forward to seeing the results.
Aloha