So, I want to point something out, especially at this airline.

There are a large number of people who won't EVER be senior at this airline. They're too old, or they got in too late, or they live in too senior of a base, or they upgraded.

I was told at XJT to shut up and color because "one day I'd be senior too." Guess what? 14 months later I got furloughed, and when I came back I never upgraded. If I had stuck around, it would have been a 10.5 year upgrade at a regional. This could happen here. What happens if upgrading means spending 15 years on reserve? I know someone is going to say, "DON'T UPGRADE!" but there comes a point where you have to start funding your retirement.

So there are a large number of people out there who have to consider that they won't get senior here, and their perspective isn't invalid because they weren't able to get hired in 2003.