Originally Posted by
CaptCoolHand
You'll get to bid vacation. There will be over 850 more weeks in the summer alone added to the matrix.
I'm disappointed with pay as well as a 190CA but it falls within the "industry standard" or "market rate"
320pay is great 321sucks IMO I'm not even looking at the C rates and if they go with the 195 I'm a NO every day till that is adressed.
COLA sucks.... IMO
PS sucks... IMO
The OE trips apply to a very small % of guys and what we had was not industry standard. We basically got exactly what is in the United contract for this.
I guess my point is with the improvements in scheduling, pairings, Hours of service, vacation distribution, and reserve rules, would you be able to upgrade, obtain a substantial pay increase and maintain a suitable quality of life?
I don't know? I'm trying to look at all avenues of this thing. Whats my goal? What seat is best for me pass or fail? whats the best base? where does my seniority get me? Not just my situation, but everyone? Do I vote for me and mine or for what I perceive as whats best for everyone.
Lots here. You have to weigh the options.
If the range of our peers was from 5-10 and we come in at 5, technically we're peer average. Reality is, we're bottom of our peer set and we fall below them in 3-6 months and the gap grows each year.
I could have taken vacation with the current system if I wanted. But the reality is, if I used all my PTO now for vacation, and I use all my vacation and PTO with the new system for vacation only for comparison sake, I lose a week of vacation. Concession.
COLA--agree
PS--agree
OE--disagree that it only affects a small percentage of pilots. Now with me not able to bid them, I'll take higher productive trips that the guys below me were bidding because I passed them up for less productive trips the CKA were bidding. So it affects all FOs below me. Or, I upgrade. I'd sit about 30% CA in BOS on the Bus. So now I'd get trips and vacation that 70% of the CAs below me were normally getting, but now I'm taking. Same with vacation. Now as a reasonably senior CA, I'm going to get vacation that other CAs would normally have gotten had I not upgraded. Finally, even with my upgrade, I took a CA slot some junior guy would have loved to have had, but no can't because I'm taking his slot. So to say that the OE withholding of trips only affects a small amount of guys is shortsighted IMHO.
Again, are there things in the TA that are good? Of course. It's not total sh1tbag of a deal. But to me, if falls horribly short of where it should be, and what I believe we still could get if we turn this one down.