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Old 07-20-2018 | 06:48 AM
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Curtaindriver
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Originally Posted by queue
So what if it's our first contract? This isn't the maiden voyage of the USS Nautilus or the first time getting to the moon.

Airline contracts are not complex. This is a false argument. We are doing nothing that hasn't been done hundreds of times before. Our current TA was written with Crayola crayons with the amount of amateur level language it contains. Just wait till BJ gets us in years long grievances because of all the legal loopholes in it. This is why I am critical of BJ pilots. They are far too eager to accept ANY contract because many have literally never read a contract nor written one. As a result, they have no idea what a bad contract is. People are being misled by the one sided ALPA sales shows. This could be a drag and drop contract with hundreds of examples to copy from, plus millions of contracts found in the rest of corporate America. The only argument of the Yes voters is "it's better than what we had before", which is a form of defeatism through complacency. The complacency is the lack of will to educate oneself on what proper contracts ought to be like, in order to discriminate against bad ones like TA 1. TA 1 contains dangerous language in it. Look no further than BJs email today vs. ALPAs email today about duty time. Study carefully JBs legal deception. Expect this kind of thing with a contract because unlike a PEA, a contract is under contract law. Every word matters. This isnt some smoke and mirrors PEA where they can rewrite it whenever they want. There is a huge, insurmountable cost to getting it wrong, and TA1 has it wrong.

The only ones "off their rocker" are the ones who haven't educated themselves on contracts in general (sorry, ALPA propaganda is nowhere near enough knowledge). Have you even bothered to ask why this TA contains an arbitration clause? Are you under the impression that it is required?

The Railway Labor Act Simplified

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

How about you fill us in the last time ALPA had a carrier that bargained a new contract from zero. Think really hard and get back to us.


After that please educate me on your vast contract knowledge, because I just spent 3.5 years educating myself. By your reference to "drag and drop" and then stating JB's legal deception are your asserting that this process should have been easy?



You obviously know zero on how any of this works, and that's ok. Keep screaming nonsense from the roof tops and knock yourself out. Every airline has a grievance committee, every airline has a crooked corporate culture that will try and exploit everything to their advantage. And every airline has guys like you hiding behind screen names acting like they know so much when it is very apparent they know very little. Crayola crayons and "airline contracts are not complex" gave you away.
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