My dad was self employed growing up, I come from a family that saved for their own retirement using Roth Ira's, etc. So retirement was never a mystery having a job that will pay between 200 to 300k a year for the majority of my working life. I fully understand the majority of you are trying all you can do with the time you have left given the poor pay from before, and your yelling out loud about the importance of said programs because it would of been a blessing for you to have. I get that. I also do not want to rely on something later in life without a plan b, c ,d etc. Next go around we need to get a better retirement, but I am not counting on it, nor should anyone else.