We had right at 850 pilots in the spring of 2015. Now in the third quarter of 2018 we have about 1300. I expect us to grow at pretty much the same rate, despite the propaganda they put out.

So in three and a half years... (counting on hands for the math)... that's a annual net growth of about 130 pilots per year.

So if you are hired today, you would not upgrade until... (taking off socks to do more math)... nearly ten years.

There is no guarantee the "ordered" planes are coming here. There is no guarantee the next recession won't arrest our growth entirely.

Our contract situation has completely stalled; there haven't been mediation sessions for months, and none are scheduled in the future. We did politely ask the NMB to declare an impasse, and they politely said no.

If the company were to accept our current ask tomorrow, we would continue to be the lowest paid A320 pilots out of American, Delta, JetBlue, Spirit, Southwest, and United.

What feels like out of spite, the management at Frontier has canceled all pilot vacations for August. Then they've done it again for September. We'll see about next month. There is plenty of documentation of management's disdain for it's employees- I probably don't need to elaborate here. Suffice to say the work environment is very hostile.

If you still want to come here, we are incredibly thankful to have you. We certainly need good people. But I don't think I could, in good faith, recommend Frontier over any other of the airlines I mentioned above.