I also heard that good rates would be offered, but that we may have to contribute more for insurance, LTD, reduce vacation, sick time, PBS. Company wants to show higher paying rates. Nominal rates can be 10, 12, 15 dollars more, but if we have to give up benefits or contribute more towards our benefits, the effective rate would be much lower. I'm not saying that everything is bad, but certainly when we vote, we need to make sure we'll do it consciously.