Originally Posted by
ToiletDuck
A little rude don't you think? Where's the ignorance in his post? All he did was state that he loved the company and asks about it's future. Do I need to dig and show you how many people working there have stated they are a little worried about the place? You say he puts too much into the stock price and needs to look at the underlying financials. So after looking at the falling stock price AND the fact the company is reporting a loss is it then ignorant for him to ask these questions or ignorant for you to still believe there are no issues?
No, I don't.
If people are worried about our future after 2 FREAKING QUARTERS they need a history lesson. Ever heard of a company called Southwest Airlines? You must have Toilet, they're a Texas company. They lost money for 2 YEARS before turning their first profit. So call me crazy for sitting back and being patient while giving the business plan some time to work. And for the record, the company planned to lose money for 3 years on the branded stuff before becoming profitable. The loads and passenger response have been better than expected. Now the issue is getting fuel costs under control and raising the yield. (you know what that is, right?)
All I can say is... WOW. Losing money during some of the most profitable times in history could say there might already be tough times.
I'm not sure how you can call this "one of the most profitable times in history". You must have been under a rock during the mid-90s. Tell me this: why can the airlines make money with oil averaging $58 a barrel this year but when it was averaging $23 a barrel they were losing their shirts?
What do you call diving 300% in less than a year?
My point was there was no such thing as an "insane" stock price. You can call it insane, I'll call it undervalued or depressed.
The only one that's delusional is the one who apparently skipped economics. I mean why would a bunch of people with WAY more experience and credientials have any validity??? Lets see who's really showing ignorance on the subject. Don't bash a guy for asking.
You just reiterated my point, which was that INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS and ANALYSTS are what influence the stock price. I assume thats who you are referring to when you say "a bunch of people with WAY more experience and credentials" (I fixed your spelling, you can thank me later).
My god princess stop taking things so personal. People work where they want for their own reasons. Don't jump a guy because he's unsure about the place you work. Everyone here can say RAH sucks for this and that and not many of us would really care. We came here for our own reasons. Doesn't mean we aren't happy. If you're happy then more power to you scooter. No reason to get your panties in a wad because someone questions the places future. They aren't poking at you personally about anything, he's making a genuine inquiry. Comair, ASA, RAH, SKW, XJT, Air Whisky, Eagle, Pinnacle... They all have something in common. They all have issues. Big ones. Comair could be bought. ASA has to deal with SKW. Skw has no union and could be screwed any time. RAH has less FO pay coupled with no rigs, constant base changes, and crappy union council. XJT is losing money during a booming time, has stopped expansion, and some people there are questioning longivity of the current QOL. Air Whisky has long upgrades and a website about "doIhaveafuturehere.com". Eagle has long upgrades. Pinnacle is getting yanked by management and on the edge of striking...
The one thing everyone mentioned has in common is they all suck in some form or fashion. Another thing they all have in common is NONE of the above statements have anything to do with the pilot groups. People made a personal choice by going somewhere and when that place ends up not being perfect they take it as someone saying "YOU MADE A BAD CHOICE AND YOU'RE AN IDIOT" when that's not the case. Stop letting it get to you when someone says something about your company. It's almost sad seeing someone get so worked up over an honest inquiry.
Once again, you show what a REAL class act you are Toilet. Keep it up, you definitely help your credibility when you belittle others. If you read a bunch of anger and emotion into my post, then that's your problem, not mine. I just call 'em like I see 'em.
I guess you wouldn't have had an issue if I had responded to the original post "yep, you're right, we're all doomed. I'm glad you can see that from your vantage point outside the company with no real knowledge of whats going on behind the scenes". Toilet, I realize that you have your finger on the pulse of every airline out there ever, but no one is saying that there aren't issues here or at EVERY OTHER COMPANY OUT THERE. My post was aimed at quieting the "sky is falling at XJT", "they have one foot in the grave" tone the original poster had. He asked questions, a person on the inside answered them and here you come poking into it. Believe it or not Toilet, NO ONE ASKED YOU. If beech2jet has an issue with the way I addressed his post then I would hope he or she is adult enough to approach me with that problem. I don't think he or she needs you to jump into the fray for them. Remember when you were an eager CFI who couldn't figure out how to navigate direct-to a radial/DME fix with a $10,000 GPS unit ready to come to XJT, backpack in hand, for a "walk in" interview? If you had asked these questions, I would have answered them the same way for you. And I wouldn't have apologized if it made you cry either.
See now there is someone who's honest with himself. Shows the good and the bad. XJT is a great place to work and no reason not to promote it but there's no reason to deny that there are issues at hand or degrade someone for bringing them up.
Erm...I think I did that in the last paragraph of my response to the original post. Maybe you should go back and read it.
What's the phrase? "Pride before fall"? You'd rather go down, lose your job, and start all over as an FO somewhere else rather then shed a couple bucks an hour if needed, not wanted but actually needed... Once again WOW. I can't wait to see you run around and call someone else ignorant.
If it came down to it and that was the last resort for a management that has exhausted all other options and they could prove to me that only way to save the company was for labor to take a hit to their QOL then I might consider it. But I, nor should you, say without qualification that I would take a pay cut or other impact on my QOL to save my company. Mesa is losing money faster than we are, should those guys sacrifice pay to save their company? I guess I am of the mentality that I should not subsidize stupidity in the management suite. Fortunately, that doesn't seem to be a problem with the current XJT.