Originally Posted by El Gipple

There you go! Exactly! Last time I checked, the NC consisted of Frontier pilots, one of which has quite the reputation for being rather militant and not in the business of doing the Company any favors. Like us, they too will have the pleasure of working under the contract they negotiated so I am fairly confident they don't prefer to sell themselves short either. On top of that, the NC works for the MEC. Nothing they agree to in negotiations was agreed to without considerable debate, discussion with the MEC who you all voted for. Not talking about the Chairman, Vice-Chairman or Sec/Treas. The decision makers are your CA and FO reps in the various domiciles who make up the voting members of the MEC.

That all being said, do you think any of those people truly want to bring a POS TA to the pilot group for a vote? Something that is so obviously flawed that it is destined to fail? And the failure would be considered a vote of no confidence against the MEC and NC whose members would likely be forced out or resign having put their support behind such a POS TA? HELL NO!

On the flip side, do you think the Company will ever agree to a deal that is so obviously favorable to the pilots that it is ratified 100%-0%? only a Pilidiot would expect that. The requirements of a favorable TA to Pilots is one with all the bells, whistles and dollars that would achieve a 100% ratification. The Company will be seeking a deal that falls in line with a 51%-49% approval rate amongst pilots, meaning they didn't over pay. The true fight for the union is to achieve a result that moves that 51% closer to 100% (75%-80% would be a win).

OVERALL ECONOMIC VALUE of the TA is what it should ultimately be judged by. No one will know what that all encompassing economic value is until there is a finished deal to review and roadshows explaining where the value lays.