Originally Posted by JoePatroni

Or you could say it was dragged down by the L-UAL 767-300 rates.

Originally Posted by UALinIAH

Not going down that rabbit hole. Everyone on property then knows why the top rate was held back to allow the 767-400 pay rate to match the 747/777. We’re stuck with it now so it doesn’t matter. Just don’t play revisionist theory and make up some story about max people at top rate lol.

Originally Posted by JoePatroni

Where do you think the twelve year max came from? The 767-400 paid the same as the 777 at CAL, so did the 767-200. What exactly was “held back?” The only thing “holding” anything back was the starting point.

Originally Posted by O2pilot

So you’re saying we’d be better off with 180 planes paying $330 per hour, instead of 90 787s and 767-400s paying $330 per hour and 90 777s paying $350 per hour because we’d only have 90 planes in the “top pay rates”?

Its a cute argument, but we all know why the pay bands ended up the exact way they did.

Originally Posted by UALinIAH

That is because CAL had what 12 777s and 16 767-400’s? UAL had more 747’s than CAL had widebody’s and 50+ 777s. We were two different airlines.

We had a larger pay cut on the 747 to match the 777 during our gun to our head BK agreement. It was a concession. We gave up top end gains on the highest paying fleet because the company data showed it saved them a ton in training events as people don’t lateral as much between fleets that pay the same.

Nevermind.

Sorry for the thread drift.

Originally Posted by JoePatroni

I’ve heard the “seniority grab” argument ad nauseam but it doesn’t hold water when you look at each pre-merger pay scale. Sorry.

Originally Posted by O2pilot

CAL had higher rates because of no work rules. When you factored in the economic benefit of the UAL work rules, every piece of equipment at UAL paid more. Arbitrators agreed. Sorry.

Originally Posted by JoePatroni

If they agreed, why does the 767-400 pay the top rate?

Originally Posted by UALinIAH

You need to put down your shovel and quit while you are behind. Arbitration had nothing to do with our TA it was about the SLI.

They -400 pays the same because JPOS said he was taking his little red wagon and going home if the UAL MEC didn’t agree to the carve out . We wouldn’t have an SLI until we had a Joint Contract.

Do we really have to go down this road again?

Originally Posted by JoePatroni

Got it, just stick with that. Look at the pre merger pay scales and keep telling yourself you’re right.