Originally Posted by
Planepirate
If you vote no, this current offer is no longer on the table. If you find out the company won’t come up a nickel, you can’t just go back and say “okay I guess we’ll take your last offer”. More than likely the next package would be somewhat cost neutral to the current offer and you won’t make back what you could’ve had during the time spent negotiating. And it’ll take way longer than 2 months to negotiate. Same deck of cards but just shuffled in a different order. Example would be: you keep line bidding but no longer receive the rigs your NC negotiated. Or you get a couple extra bucks an hour but the 1.25% over 82 goes away. Why don’t you wait and read the language and go to a road show and ask some questions first. If I recall, Southwest voted down TA1 mostly because of loose codeshare language. Things like that are snakes in the grass. See if your TA has any of those. Sometimes you have to vote no. $500 per hour doesn’t mean much when the company can outsource your flying to someone else.
Honestly, I get that. But play this out for me a sec.
Let’s say the first AIP gets a no. So after a few months, another AIP comes together with, as you mentioned, more here but less somewhere else (same cost to the company). And it gets another no. More time goes by. Same thing again. The company NEVER increases their offer but just shuffles the conditions. And the pilots NEVER say yes.
What then? Pilots lose and the company loses. Company folds? We certainly don’t want that but do they? If they don’t mind that, then why negotiate with us at all?
I think we need to pay attention to the motivations for actions here instead of fear of what could be (but we really don’t know about). And quite frankly, I would think the over 12 year group would be the more resilient having been with this company when it was the highest paid. They know their worth.It seems like there are some others that feel content allowing Indigo to dictate theirs.
It might be better for this company to cease existence then to accept the obvious substandard treatment and contract before us. Spirit had a TRO. But we have LOA 67, have proven the company negotiated in bad fait but STILL took the first AIP that was obviously less? Working a concessionary contract in the past was understandable before. But now, we VOTE IN concessions (PBS) and lower everything else. If you were a Big 3 pilot or Jet Blue or even Allegiant pilot, would you respect us? Or would you laugh?
Not all money is good money. We criticize the company all the time for stepping over a dollar to save a dime. We’re kinda doing the same thing out of fear...