Originally Posted by
gloopy
What are you talking about? Do you think your rest ends at 23:59 (assuming a single X day for example)? Because there is no "mandatory notification" at 00:00. You can't get anything before 10AM on your first day on. Period. And there is no obligation to even have your phone on during that time. Period. You are 100% free from any and all obligations. That's how I understand it and how it was explained to me by literally everyone (company schedulers, union reps and DALPA scheduling ninjas, etc). You can, at your leisure, check your schedule anytime, but a single X day is always at least 34 hours off. If that's not the case and your version is correct, then we have a lot of pilots flying illegally.
As far as I'm aware, scheduling is ensuring 30 hrs otherwise so no, we don't have pilots flying illegally. Nice job trying to make it a "are you saying EVERYONE is busting FARs" question though.
Your long call reserve period starts at 0001 and the FAA has already said that time on long call is not rest. Just because the first assignment can't be until a long call callout (that is reduced first day if assigned enough in advance) does not make it rest any more than 30hrs without a long call assignment during a work period would reset your rest clock. There is no difference between the two. A single X day does mean a minimum of 34 hrs before your next assignment but it does not give you a 30hr rest period.
Since "literally everyone" told you it's at least 34 hrs off... why don't you ask them about it. Period.
Just to make this perfectly clear, under your logic, if you worked 5 days of long call without an assignment you would be legal for a 4 day trip since you never had to answer the phone.
Furthermore, Section 23.S.3.a of the PWA states that a pilot on long call "must be available for contact by crew scheduling at any time while on call." The exception is that you are not contactable for 12 hrs before the report of an assignment from long call. No assignment means no release from being contactable.
So yes, you do have an obligation to have you phone on when long call and no assignment. In practice that means you just have to check messages and consider that rest started from 12 hrs prior to assignment.
Now since you listed all the people who told you that it would count as a 30hr rest period... you really should ask some of them to confirm that. I will be shocked if a single one does.