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Old 01-01-2019, 10:22 PM   #10  
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp View Post
First to the old part of the thread as if anyone cared -

61.167 (a) A person who holds an airline transport pilot certificate is entitled to the same privileges as a person who holds a commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating. The OP would not be able to operate IFR without an IR which an ATP incudes.
To that same end and addressing the same point: the original poster sought ATP privileges in fixed wing, but only held a helicopter instrument rating.

Eligibility for the ATP only requires that the applicant hold an instrument rating: it does not need to be specific to the category and class of ATP sought. In this case, the original poster holds a helicopter instrument rating, but seeks the ATP fixed wing (in his or her case, in Airplane, Single-Engine Land). The original poster does not require an airplane-instrument rating. He or she already holds an instrument rating, and while 14 CFR 61.153(d)(1) does require the applicant to hold an instrument rating, it is not specified as category specific to the ATP privileges sought. The regulation simply states "instrument rating.

61.153 Eligibility requirements: General.
(d) Meet at least one of the following requirements:

(1) Holds a commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating issued under this part;
The written test must be category-class specific and the practical test must, of course be taken in the specific category and class aircraft, but the previously-held instrument rating need not be of the same category and class.

That the original poster holds private pilot privileges in airplane, single-engine land without an instrument-airplane rating is irrelevant, and whether or not he or she could file IFR or operate under IFR as PIC in the single engine airplane, prior to taking the ATP ride, is also irrelevant.
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