Originally Posted by KodiakRS

Oh boy has there been a ton of incorrect information given out over the past few posts. Looks like it's time to bust out the old contract and write a wall of text.



Letter 13-13 B.3:

"The lineholder or reserve pilot on a day(s) off who appropriates a reserve pilot's sequence shall be paid above guarantee for the portion operated but shall not receive the open time premium for such flying."

Short version: appropriated flying is paid at %100. It is not OT and is not paid at %150.



Your statement is not correct. There are a number of scenarios in which you do not get a hotel in base. (not counting commuter hotels). See below for more information.



A wise question indeed. CBA section 11 E.1.d states "A pilot whose assignment normally provides for a hotel room will receive a hotel room in domicile (upon request) if any irregularity causes the pilot to overnight in domicile."

The critical part that most people miss is "A pilot whose assignment..." meaning that if you trade a trip, call in sick, miss a commute ect. you aren't owed a hotel because that trip is no longer "your assignment." Not understanding this is where the myth believed by pedro4pres and many others comes from. "If you EVER lose a hotel then you are always protected and they will provide you one."

So how does this apply to appropriated flying? Well it's a bit awkward. In practice scheduling will only give out hotel rooms to pilots who's flying has been appropriated after they have signed in for the sequence in question. If the overnight is appropriated prior to sign in the reserve pilot will be placed on a rap in accordance with letter 13-13 and will not receive a hotel room in base. (you can still request a commuter hotel). I confirmed this interpretation by calling the hotel desk a few hours ago and asking them. They gave me this same interpretation without me mentioning it first so it's clearly how they think the system works. It seems ripe for a grievance to me but I'm halfway out the door already and wouldn't be around to follow it through.

It's also worth noting that what's said in the CBA is only slightly more important than what's not. Section 11 goes out of it's way to mention that a pilot displaced for IOE will receive hotel rooms in base but letter 13-13 does not. By including that in certain places but omitting it in others there's an implication that the guarantee of a hotel room does not exist.



Since a bunch of people have asked this: Scheduling and the CPO will not give out other employees personal information, including phone numbers, for obvious privacy reasons. They can however relay a number to the other pilot for you. Generally most people won't pick up but will listen to the voicemail and return the call. If they don't call back within 15 minutes or so I'd say you've fulfilled your obligation to ask them and can appropriate guilt free.

This is also a great way to get a hold of a pilot who just got off of an airplane and forgot their ipad, forgot to sign the AML, ect.



1) See above

2) There's a lot of stuff in the contract that doesn't get used because the negative ramifications out weigh the consequences. We were supposed to get PBS after the 40th (41st?) 175 but the company did the equivalent of calling the union and realizing that "appropriating" our line bidding was a bad idea.

3) There are myriad of "dick punch" moves you can pull on other pilots including not confirming and no call appropriating. Remember what's not in a contract can be as important as what is in a contract. Remember the trackback grievance? That's now a judge certified loophole that the company has zero problem using all the time.



Ya might want to do a quick check on your attitude there buddy. This type of disregard for a fellow pilot is responsible for so many of our problems today. Scope, b-scales, the PSA contract, whipsaw, all of it is because a group decided that their own personal well being was more important than the health of the profession as a whole. Sure appropriating a reserve trip is a drop in the bucket compared to those things but it goes a long way to showing your character in an industry where a lot of us have chips on our shoulder and looong memories.