Originally Posted by
KodiakRS
Oh boy has there been a ton of incorrect information given out over the past few posts. Looks like it's time to bust out the old contract and write a wall of text.
Letter 13-13 B.3:
"The lineholder or reserve pilot on a day(s) off who appropriates a reserve pilot's sequence shall be paid above guarantee for the portion operated but shall not receive the open time premium for such flying."
Short version: appropriated flying is paid at %100. It is not OT and is not paid at %150.
Your statement is not correct. There are a number of scenarios in which you do not get a hotel in base. (not counting commuter hotels). See below for more information.
A wise question indeed. CBA section 11 E.1.d states "A pilot whose assignment normally provides for a hotel room will receive a hotel room in domicile (upon request) if any irregularity causes the pilot to overnight in domicile."
The critical part that most people miss is "A pilot whose assignment..." meaning that if you trade a trip, call in sick, miss a commute ect. you aren't owed a hotel because that trip is no longer "your assignment." Not understanding this is where the myth believed by pedro4pres and many others comes from. "If you EVER lose a hotel then you are always protected and they will provide you one."
So how does this apply to appropriated flying? Well it's a bit awkward. In practice scheduling will only give out hotel rooms to pilots who's flying has been appropriated after they have signed in for the sequence in question. If the overnight is appropriated prior to sign in the reserve pilot will be placed on a rap in accordance with letter 13-13 and will not receive a hotel room in base. (you can still request a commuter hotel). I confirmed this interpretation by calling the hotel desk a few hours ago and asking them. They gave me this same interpretation without me mentioning it first so it's clearly how they think the system works. It seems ripe for a grievance to me but I'm halfway out the door already and wouldn't be around to follow it through.
It's also worth noting that what's said in the CBA is only slightly more important than what's not. Section 11 goes out of it's way to mention that a pilot displaced for IOE will receive hotel rooms in base but letter 13-13 does not. By including that in certain places but omitting it in others there's an implication that the guarantee of a hotel room does not exist.
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I see how you are getting confused. It is understandable seeing how convoluted our contract is and how you are new and haven't lived through the changes.
Hotel protection- 11 E 1d is for line holders and reserve pilots. It is specifically referring to scheduling changes. I'm pretty sure it's obvious that it doesn't cover trip trades and sick calls. It does cover any circumstances outside the pilots control. If you aren't getting the overnight once it has been appropriated then you need to contact the union. If you get awarded a four day trip that gets taken away for IOE line checks miss connection appropriated flying etc then you are due a hotel for all three nights.
It was all explained in a union email a couple years ago.