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Old 01-15-2019, 05:13 AM
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Flyinguy
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Originally Posted by Lahey View Post
getting to aa faster>QOL at a regional.

Not really. If life and pay didn’t suck so bad, the need to move on wouldn’t be as urgent/necessary.

If you are driving a busted jalopy and the opportunities for a brand new BMW is offered if you can suffer a few more years, maybe you can endure, (but it could be disastrous on spouses who can’t endure never seeing you for those 5-7 years, or missing that much of your child’s life and not even having the pay to show it).
But if you are driving a 7 year old Accord, sure the new 5 series will be great, but the Accord isn’t all that bad (you get to see your family slightly more often, and a bit more pay).

Originally Posted by PeteyT View Post
How about all of it.

They want PBS so that they can reduce staffing needs, get rid of what little soft pay there is, and reduce the costs associated with their grossly inefficient schedules (lots of wasted per diem and hotel rooms required to pay for these atrocious lines). I say "Let em have it!"

But in return we get
  • to share the salaries and bonuses they would have spent on hiring and retaining pilots to adequately staff the airline with the current schedules
  • the QoL gains we would all have gained due to hiring pushing up our relatively seniority
  • the increase in flow rate that would have resulted from hiring to properly staff the current schedules

PBS can be mutually beneficial, for sure, but we can't let the company understate how much they'd get out of it. We deserve comparable gains, the above is just the start.


Sound logic.
Can you quantify this? How much more efficient is PBS in pilots? 250?

Just quick math shows 250 FOs (250x$40/725=13.3) would be about $13 per hour more. But then the company isn’t saving anything. So $12/h increase.

QOL is going to increase automatically with PBS, we should get 1-4 more days off.

The flow would go up 2 per month.

If the company is growing, the CAs would get $15 and FOs $9 (some pay split). But if the company stopped growing the pay would need to increase across the board $12. The currrent FOs would all upgrade, the company would switch to CA strong and the longer serving FOs would need that pay increase as not many FOs would be getting hired.
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