Originally Posted by
rickair7777
There will be an entry for final checkride prep dual instruction prior to sign off. Doesn't *have* to say it's checkride prep but there's typically something to that effect. It will be logged in detail in the schools 121 records, that's required.
Then the student will typically log the *incomplete* EOC, at least logging the flight time. In 141 it might get logged as dual given, in 61 it will not.
Then there will be remedial training prior to the next sign off, *typically* also logged as such.
If you know the date the cert was issued, you can backtrack fairly easily. You're right that the logbook doesn't *have* to include all of that detail in 141, but it inevitably will. Instructors will CYA, I sure as hell would. If a student ever refused to let me document training in his book, that would be the last training he ever got from me. Neither my logbook, not any student's of mine, will ever serve as "documentation" that I omitted training. If it's not in writing, the lawyers will say it never happened.
The only thing I've ever seen put in 99.9% of the time in comments section for a 141 lesson, is the course and lesson/unit number, in addition to the required hours and info from 61.51. There is no "complete" or "incomplete" or "remedial" or "checkride prep", anything else goes in the 141 training records. Everything is tracked in 141 by the lesson. No need to add more information than necessary. That is CYA, adding anything more opens you up to liability IME. You sign an endorsement that you have trained the person and they are proficient for the checkride, that right there is the statement, traceable to the unit/lesson you performed as the proof.
If it were part 61, yes you'd need to CYA yourself more, because the regs require you to describe what training was provided and there is no "approved course", so you have to be specific as to the maneuvers and/or ground training.
But yeah, again it's easy for someone to piece it together just looking at unit numbers and dates.
Good discussion.