To add to this, it also hurts us that we are a segmented pilot group. The last major deal we made, the union even stated they couldn't please everyone, so they focused on getting the protected pilots out the door as fast as possible, while most everyone else took a back seat.

Dont get me wrong, the PP should go, they have been through a lot, however I feel that was the time that we should have really gone for the big pay/qol/flow increases, as the company was in a position to negotiate then.

Our group has lifers that want nothing but money and qol improvements that benefit them. We have middle of the pack pilots that want to just flow and get out so flow is most important and then the newer hires looking at 6-9 years here, valuing flow much less, wanting nothing but pay and reserve improvements. This situation puts management in a very nice spot because we are fragmented on what our priorities are.

At the end of the day, flow guarantees should be everyone but the 200 lifers main priority. If the people interviewing here would just understand that every time they decide to ignore the warnings and come anyone they are directly impacting their own flow/qol, management would finally come back to the table.

If I was a new hire right now, I would assume the flow doesn't exist, because let's be honest, the odds of it surviving 9 years in its current state are slim to none.