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Old 02-08-2019 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
Hahaha we traded first officer seniority for a little bump in flow

The forced upgrades were coming whether they were junior-manned or senior-manned. No matter what someone wasn’t going to be happy. So negotiating an increase to the flow from 7 to 10 /month when FOs were going to be forced either way isn’t the worst outcome. ,

gave up 1.25 pay for picking up trips
Again, a half truth. We didn’t give anything up. We exchanged the old system of 1.25% pay for anything picked up in open time after the final award for premium pay that benefits a larger portion of the pilot group and will mean more money in the pockets of most of the PSA pilots. This was a clear win for us and will greatly simplify the pay claims process.

, have new reserve rules that are so convoluted scheduling gets away with just about whatever they want since there's no oversight
These are being manually implemented beginning this month and will further improve throughout the year. And also, another clear gain for the pilots at PSA that will help to ensure there is less abuse by crew scheduling.

, you'll be senior Manned to Captain as soon as you're at 1,000 turbine forfeiting what's left of any fo bonuses, oh and when you're senior Manned they can send you to any base they want (hope you like Norfolk).
Yes we are senior-manning FOs. But this is really a moot point by now because whether we were senior-manning or junior-manning the upgrade would have happened for a new hire as soon as they hit their 1,000 regardless. We also aren’t the only airline forcing upgrades.

Oh and the Union keeps signing agreements without letting the pilots see them in writing, and certainly doesn't let us vote on anything.
There is a process to negotiating that often does not lend itself to 100% transparency. I guarantee you that the company doesn’t ask the crew schedulers how changes will affect their job and quality of life. That being said there was almost zero communications from our old MEC chairman. We have brand new leadership that is still for lack of a better term, “cleaning up the mess” that was left to them. Give them time. Have some faith. We are in capable hands that are making communicating with the pilots they represent a top priority.

The only guys who haven't taken concessions at PSA are the senior captains, who benefit most from the small bump in flow. They got that at the expense of the junior pilots.
You do of course realize that a “small bump” in flow benefits literally everyone right? Not just senior CAs. And let’s look at some quick napkin math on flow numbers and who they benefit... Take a CA who is in the top 25% of the seniority list (less than 500 overall). That CA already doesn’t experience nearly as much attrition outside the flow as they make their way up the seniority list. So we’ll say they move up roughly 140 numbers /year (flowing 10 /month plus an additional 20 above them leaving outside the flow each year). At 10 /month that puts them at roughly 2.5 years to flow. If the flow increases that means that even fewer above that CA in seniority bother to try and leave outside the flow. So going from 7 to 10 /month might decrease time to flow for a Senior CA by about 3-6 months on average. Not that much. But for a new hire it decreases their time to flow by anywhere from 1-2 years.

Wait for a class at Republic, and don't pay attention to the flow. If you can't find a major that will hire you before you hit the 8-10 year flow at PSA then you've got bigger issues.
I’m not saying don’t go to Republic. I think they’re a great airline with better pay and a better contract. But the wait to get not just to training but through it (factor in longer waits for 175 sim time) is pretty daunting. Things change so fast in this industry that waiting a year on anything and delaying career progression that long seems like a bad choice long-term. Just a single class date can be the difference between weekends off and missing every single one of your kids ball games. Having a line and sitting reserve. Furlough and job security. A year is a long time to put your career on hold. And it’s even simpler than that: if PHL with AA is their goal, that leaves them 2 options in my mind... PSA or PDT. And of the 2 one is the clear choice (in my opinion).
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