Originally Posted by
OhSnapAF
Gained nothing? You gained improvements to 2 of the 3 sections and that ONLY happened because of VX. You’d still be under the same crap until 2020. The 737 pilot group history of contracts is not impressive. I don’t care whether that offends anyone or not. You need to stop fighting VX pilots and get over yourself. You sucked the Angel Lake Kool Aid down and you thought it was fine wine, we are telling you it isn’t, and it’s time to actually do something about it.
Go read the comparison document, then read it again. After that, read it one more time. VX didn’t make this contract the worst in the industry, so stop the blame game because quite frankly the blame isn’t on pilots who haven’t negotiated for, and voted in, these crap CBAs.
We didn’t want to be Alaska just like you didn’t want us to be Alaska. It’s done now, get over it, and just realize that your air group bubble mentality isn’t cutting it in 2019. Luckily we know you are a vocal minority. Most 737 pilots feel the same way which is great. Talking with union leaders, they are more confident now than ever, of a unified pilot group.
We are all on the same team now, but both sides should be equally frustrated at the hill we have to climb in 2020.
Again, you’ve chosen to focus on what the L-AS pilots have done without acknowledging that you worked for a company that had none of the things you now demand from AS and blame the AS pilots for not having. You don’t have those things because you accepted working for a company that didn’t offer those provisions long before the AS acquisition.
I’m under no illusion about our contract and if you bother to go back and read what I’ve written, you’ll see I too demand the same improvements you do. When I came here in ‘15, the number one conversation in our new hire class was that we were going to tackle scope in contract ‘18. So while the 737 track record may not have been impressive up to the ‘13 contract, the group dynamic had shifted drastically and we too were highly motivated to improve the CBA. We, just like you, never got that chance and no, we did not achieve gains in the JCBA because of VX. It has been a joint effort and just like you can claim, I can claim that we would have achieved much more on our own. Again, we never got the chance.
I’m not blaming the VX pilots for anything, repeat, I’m not blaming the VX pilots for anything. I’m pointing out that while you guys continue to blame the 737 pilots for your problems, YOUR complicity in working for a non-union shop that offered no protections and sold you off before you could realize any gains, renders your argument useless and is ironic at best.
I never said the VX pilots made this contract the worst in the industry, I’m saying you did noting at your shop to show up with anything better. You basically came to the potluck with no food and are now complaining to those that brought something, that their food sucks. It may suck but they didn’t show up empty handed.
I’ve been “over” the acquisition for a while now. I’ve accepted our fate together. I’m just tired of seeing some of your peers bashing the 737 guys repeatedly for accepting the exact same things they accepted when they said yes to the VX job. I was thinking that the combination of 800 highly motivated individuals to an already energized group of 1100 was going to bode well for 2020 but now I’m concerned that some of you are more emotional than motivated. Emotional contract negotiations never turn out well.