Originally Posted by
kingairfun
I have nothing against Aloha at all... If you are referring to my comment about a handful of their pilots "thumping their chest" about buying out Hawaiian back in the mid 2000's.. I guess the Hawaiian pilots who told me this were flat out lying.
In the mid-2000's, both airlines were struggling to survive and they just walked away from a merger a few years prior. Talking about either one buying the other was at best, cockpit CEO talk... especially with Mesa/go!'s impending market entry.
As far as Opakapaka, his previous posts on this thread have done nothing but confirm he holds a grudge against Hawaiian. And every statement he makes here is with the biased he has formed from his time at Aloha towards the end.
Clearly, you don't know your own airline's history outside of cockpit. If you did, you wouldn't be talking. You'd be listening, you'd engage constructively and you'd drop the cockiness.
I probably won't shop for your book on Amazon concerning the post 9/11 world in Hawaii. I lived/worked through it on the mainland. Congrats you've pegged me for a Comair/Netjets guy.. Now figure out where I was at pre-9/11 or post Delta bankruptcy.
It's not my book, but it is a book that virtually every pilot based in Hawaii should have. I was hoping for the newest edition to include the events of 2008, but no such luck. There are some articles on
www.airlinesofhawaii.com that carry on after the publishing of the book. But the mere fact that you outright dismiss it just further proves my point about your ignorant cockiness.
As to your last point about your history... you missed the point, again.
I have very limited knowledge about Comair, Delta, or NetJets. I know a bit from my friends and from here, but definitely not enough to get into an argument with someone like yourself who's been there, lived through it, and now talk about it. Instead, I'd listen to you and unless you gave me a reason not to, I'd believe you. If I wanted to research the topic a bit more, I'd go to an unbiased source. But what I wouldn't do would be showing my okole by acting like one.
It's true that Hawaiian took the largest number of laid off Aloha pilots. What you may or may not know is that Southwest is where the second largest group of former Aloha pilots found their new home. Nobody is cheering for Hawaiian to disappear or to be put against the ropes, or suffer yet another difficult period, especially those who had to start over and there are plenty of those in your ranks as well as ours. But when someone who went through this speaks, and you haven't been through it with this airline or in this market, it behooves you listen... you just might learn something new.