I agree, but I wonder if by accidentally trimming nose-down it lead them to believe manual trim was inop, and thus re-engaging the electric trim and then MCAS finishing the job. Or, were the aerodynamic forces too great to even allow manual trimming in the nose up condition, and possibly even moving the stab slightly nose down with the stab trim cutout activated. If this was the case, I wonder if the aircraft would ever be able to be recovered....