well since i have been here over 2 years, i wouldnt quite say i am a new hire. and where do you work?? every airline has its funny business and people that they wish weren't there. a few pilots don't represent an entire pilot group. i created this post, i started the thread. i think it is ridiculous, but calling out the entire pilot group is not correct. and i would say yes if anyone comes here now and have done their homework, they know exactly what is going on. when i came here negotiations were moving fast, and everyone thought that a deal would be struck in the first few months of negotiations.