Originally Posted by
dera
It's funny how you, of all people, talk about reading comprehension.
Anyway. You, as an FO, get $20k in retention bonuses, OR you upgrade and start making higher CA pay. Which one do you want to use in these calculations? You can't just split it halfway the way you choose. Pick one.
How about this: You make $5k second year retention AND you upgrade 6 months in. You see, I can move goalposts too. Then the numbers would be;
38(1st year) + 17(175 signing bonus) + 5(5k retention year 2) + 20(half a year at 2nd year FO pay) + 34(half a year 2nd year CA pay) = 114k.
Take the 145 and you are at a tie. Or upgrade a bit later and you still have same results.
The fact is - the pay difference isn't huge in the FO side. It is much, much bigger for Captains.
Another goalpost moving exercise - you will hold a line much faster at Envoy than at PSA right now. So you can pick up a bit of OT, and those numbers flip over.
My main point is this - don't compare the FO rates, they aren't that important. CA rates are where the magic happens. And where I hope most improvements will be at.
Part of education factors in FO rates. At the current rate, we will not see a raise until recruitment goes down. Therefore both sets of numbers are important.
As Pedro pointed out, their average trip credit is roughly 20% greater than ours.
These all factor in. It's important to talk about all of them.