Originally Posted by
Helij3t
Look everyone, what's your problem. If what he's doing isn't it your favor and you want him to address something else then any of you can pick your cell phones, address the situation and post it too on YT. Stop ****ing in his cup. Times change and every situation is different. His time is now and to some of us he's given us a clear insight of crew scheduling of being on reserve and holding a line. Plus a bit of pay expectation.
If there are issues with management what has he got to do with it? C'mon guys give him a break and let him enjoy his regional life. The more negative you sound towards him the stronger and smarter he gets.
I'll be 1000% willing to fly with him any day and time.
Do you know how proud my dad will be to see me as the first pilot in an airline environment in the family's entire generation?
From shoving snow in MD to lawnmowing in NC+ Louisiana and FL: All in order to pay for flight training including time 1.5k hours and tell me once if Envoy offers me a job I'll walk away. (Of which I was offered, gladly accepted and signed over a year ago)
Let's all with real here and nothing personal to anyone here. Sorry if I have but it is what it is I guess.
Originally Posted by
Thedude86
I never said they were good. They might be good for young and future aviators. They’re also good for management, but they are certainly not good for the pilot group no matter if times are good or times are bad.
I’m guessing you’re relatively new in the 121 world. Your “25 million dollar” contract isn’t at the hands of Swayne Martin. It’s at the hands of how many people are showing up for class. It doesn’t matter if you have Jimmy Hoffa and Al Capone in the flesh negotiating for you. If you are still filling classes... you will get jack squat and like it. Swayne Martin is a major influence on how many people show up for class. A lot of people getting into the regionals don’t know that Envoy has some of lowest pay and worst QOL of the industry right now. Sure maybe things are just like they were 2-3 years ago, but the difference is a new hire will have a much better experience at almost any other airline right now. A lot of new hires don’t realize that. A lot of them only know what they hear from recruiters, see advertised on Envoy’s website, and what they see in Swayne’s videos. And I would guess more people see what they think life is like from Swayne than they do from recruiters. He’s a huge influence.
Yep initially his cutesy videos were naive and unrealistic but nominally helpful to newbies and not hurting anyone. No longer the case, currently his management approved recruitment propaganda, is directly working against the MEC and destroying the substantial leverage a lack of applicants produce. His growing influence with so many new pilots means with out any meaningful merit or experience as an aviator, he has become the defacto authority on this industry to many, his intention or not. His large following has provided him a platform to reach many young aviators in a uniquely direct way that when used correctly can be beneficial to all. His followers view and trust him as a reliable source for industry info and believe he is giving an accurate picture. As such he should strive to provide guidance and insight that is balanced, unbiased and not serving a external motive. He owes this to those he “influences” and those already in the industry these things effect. Many in this same thread defend (mostly new young FOs or CFI) defend his videos and say they are helpful and accurate. However more experienced pilots who have been in the industry awhile see them as what they are, recruiting tools that only help management. Unknown or realized by many young viewers, his narrative is greatly biased by his inexperience and commitment to management goals and ideals. To older guys his videos are nothing more then aviation porn exhibiting an inexperienced view point to inexperienced viewers. Although on the surface harmless and entertaining they quickly become quite damaging during negotiations. The blind leading the blind is never good for anyone. His videos lack the truly comprehensive and complete airline info many newbies believe they are receiving. Would you want your doctor prescribing meds from a company they own? Of course not, it’s a conflict of loyalty between patient health and Dr wallet. His videos, unknown to most viewers actually hurt newbies by showing management approved content only and omitting the important but real negative components his viewers deserve . This career is very dynamic and unique and new pilots must be appropriately informed of all aspects not just management approved. Some viewers will be blindsided by all the important info he leaves out in an attempt to pacify management. Aviation can bring so many different career opportunities and expectations that info like his is priceless when properly conveyed. As demonstrated in this thread some young pilots don’t know what they don’t know, and lack the meaningful industry experience to see a problem and state as such on this thread.
No-one has produced an actual counter argument to show how his videos are helping and not hurting pilots. They rely on character attacks calling people salty or jealous if they articulate how his videos are actually hurting pilots.