Originally Posted by
KnockKnock
What’s your point? Are you going to bid all nighters when your seniority allows you to avoid them so you can continue to be “one with the new hires”? I speak from my personal experience here, you speak from yours. There is no black and white. My point is that, YES, as a new employee, a yr to maybe 2 now, you can plan on flying your share of red eyes. I did it, you’re doing it, any new hire can expect it. After that, you can avoid them if you want to. I don’t know too much about UPS but can you avoid flying all night within a couple years of being there? I have a buddy there that’s pretty jr. he seems to like it and hasn’t said too much about the WOCL flying. If the OP wants to fly international widebody stuff, UPS seems like a great route to take. I also know a guy that chose to stay at AS instead of going to his class at FedEx because he didn’t want to fly all night for a large chunk of his career. He too is pretty happy with his lot in life. Everybody lives their own lives my friend.
His point is that not everyone gets to avoid red-eyes after their first year or so. There's guys here for close to a year who can't even hold a line yet. Also, if you want to upgrade you'll have at least 3-4 years of reserve before you're lucky enough to fly a line with red-eyes. Alaska is growing at 1-2% a year and maybe someday we'll have an industry standard contract so why would anyone want to go anywhere else?