I’m not pushing Compass, I’m simply pointing out that the purpose of flow is to staff the regional and save money for the mainline. I suppose if you need it for any of a variety of reasons, no college degree, multiple training failures, etc., it may serve the purpose of some people in the pilot pool, giving them a chance they would otherwise be unlikely to get. Like working for Mesa, it is actually some folks best chance. But for the vast majority of pilots, particularly in the current hiring environment, it’s more of a speed bump on your path to success than it is an expressway. Certainly some people will find it more comfortable, the old tortoise vs hare thing, but electing to take that route and then *****ing about it because you didn’t anticipate the consequence is unfortunate. And *****ing about newbies being about to make the same mistake you did - to the newbies - is really unfair.

Newbies ought to get both sides of the story, good AND bad about flow. They are only going to get one side from management because management knows damn well it BENEFITS management. Where are they going to get the other side if not from their fellow pilots?

I didn’t get into this conversation to push any one regional over the other, or to measure comparative length or girth of parts of our anatomies, I got into it because this thread was TELLING POTENTIAL NEW HIRES THEY WERE THE PROBLEM. That’s just wrong on so many levels from a moral standpoint

But the OP was right that as long as the newbies keep coming management isn’t going to see the need to raise pay. So what is YOUR gripe about potential newbies getting BOTH sides of the story? So they can make a better educated decision on the pros AND CONS of flow?

Because you can be pretty damn sure that the recruiters, Envoy recruiters, Compass recruiters, and every other recruiter, is pretty much going to just give them managements side of the story. That is, after all, what they get paid to do.

And you are right, they ARE all regionals, where you do basically the same job as mainline for a fraction of the salary. But hate the game, not the players, and particularly not the newbie players who need mentoring far more than they need condemnation.