Got some all ready in a Hook in OEF. Hope that's close enough.

Despite all of your insistance that I'm ignorant on "the threat" out there, and your urging that I spend time studying in the vault, I will counter that no amount of time spent in the vault will convince me that ANYTHING in the GWOT currently is a significant threat to fixed wing air operations. No matter how much anyone repeats it to themselves or others, it does not make it so.

There's not "flak so thick you could walk on it". There aren't "MiGs buzzing around like fireflies". There not shooting SAMs at anyone for sport.

Have we lowered the ORM bar so far in the US military that small arms, RPGs, and MANPADs are a "significant threat"?? Dear God, Hap Arnold, Curt LeMay, and Robin Olds must all be turning in their graves.