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Old 08-15-2019 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
And that "analysis" is outdated and irrelevant now. That being the initial plan is speculative but possible, who knows and who cares because its a different world now. Their timing was amazingly, unprecedentedly and almost impossibly lucky for them. Right when they should have been feeling the squeeze the most, the tables turned and all of their competition was yielding marketshare to anyone and everyone as fast as planes could be flown to the deserts and pilots could be trained to facilitate furloughs and downgrades and that lasted for years, all the while they had a CASM advantage that wasn't even in the same universe.

Now, however, there is no way DOT/J would allow a merger with a legacy (other than maybe SWA under a partial but significant divesture) and they know it. That ship sailed years ago. At this point they very well may merge, but the biggest would likely be AK and probably smaller (F9, NK, etc).

The EU Mint offensive is not to be taken lightly. Its not just a nibble on marketshare with a funky fresh super saver coach product; its a full on assault at a very small fraction of prevailing fares to the most critical premium revenue sources available. I can't yet tell how serious legacy management teams are taking this. Simply adding some flights in anticipation will do nothing when they fully intend to permanently shatter fares on those key premium markets by 50-80%. If anything, simply adding capacity makes legacies more vulnerable unless they intend to win that war of attrition, which they could very easilly, but they may not have the stomach to self reduce yields more in the short term to preserve them in the long term.

Numerous puzzle pieces going into place in BOS and to a lesser extent NYC are a very encouraging sign but its too early to tell what the long term counter offensive will be.
Very interesting and well thought out analysis. Personally I’m not too concerned. Delta had to merge with NWA to get LHR slots, and to get more, we had to buy a stake in Virgin Atlantic. The premium revenue is in the JFK/BOS-LHR route. I think JBLU is going to have a hard time acquiring LHR slots. The 50-70% lower fare they advertise is based on them serving Gatwick or Stansted. Which isn’t much different than other fares to those airports. In my opinion it’s just hype. After they realize the costs of World wide ops training for their crews, maintaining a fleet of ETOPS birds and all the engine shut down monitoring that goes along with 180 ETOPS, I don’t see how they are going to be able to undercut the market enough to make it hurt much. At least long term.