Originally Posted by
Scoop
Well please educate the rest of us. Since the supposed “Scope sale” by mainline Pilots was so atrocious you obviously never flew RJs, so what was your background?
OBTW do you think the 1300 DAL Pilots who were directly replaced by RJs were for selling Scope? You are very ignorant of what was going on back then.
Do you suppose we were eager to give up 42% of our pay? Our retirements? Vacation? Work rules? Pay overrides? Scope was never willingly sold, just as none of the above were willingly given up.
Back in the early 1990s there was no Scope, zero because the threat was not there. RJs came on the scene and Leo Mullin and Fred Reid went bonkers ordering RJs all in the name of frequency even though passengers did not like them. Then came 9-11 and Pilots at most airlines were taken to the cleaners by carpetbagging management who capitalized on the situation to gut our contracts.
RJ Pilots complaining about Scope crack me up. I get it, many had no other option so they did what had to be done. But blaming mainline Pilots for somehow not stopping RJ outsourcing is misguided. Management had BK, the courts, and the RLA in their corner. DALPA had what exactly in their corner?
Since you are now at DAL why haven’t we clawed back Scope? Why do we have JVs? Why are we losing flying to our Skyteam partners?
I can’t wait for some new hire in 10 years to blame you for all of these issues.
Scoop
I don't have much to disagree with what you said except to point out that the last contract, which was post bankruptcy, did include scope gives.
The overall impact of those gives can be left up to debate, but I do think it germane to include that they happened. The important thing is to not let it happen again and to start getting scope back. There is nothing to be gained for finger pointing otherwise.
I will say that I kind of see that as a benefit of the S3A though, it's one more reason to get the flying in house where it belongs. With no outsourced flying there is no S3A.