Originally Posted by Scoop

Are you that ignorant? Retirement and our pay was also “ protected” by the Pilot contract - I guess we sold them for less vacation because that went away too.

I don’t know what you were doing in the early 2000s but I lived through that time as a furloughee and my recollection is a little different than yours.


The logic of this whole “scope sale issue” is flawed. Let’s follow this flawed logic a bit:

I guess the theory is RJ Pilots got stuck at the regionals for years with substandard conditions. Well most regionals had contracts - why didn’t they just negotiate a better contract? Oh because they had zero clout and little leverage and were basically along for the ride.

Now look at mainline. We had so much clout and leverage that we took a 42% payout, gave up our pensions, lost 2 weeks vacation, numerous QOL items and, well the list goes on.

And yet under these conditions, with up to 1300 Pilots furloughed we were not able to tighten up or hold the line on Scope. How shocking. I guess this is why conditions at the regionals were so bad for so long - because the capabilities of a union are determined first and foremost by market conditions. The same conditions that prevented regional pilots from improving their conditions are what allowed Delta
and other airline managements to to decimate our PWA, our whole PWA from front to back and Scope was no exception.

But hey, cue Dick Dastardly twirling his mustache eagerly selling scope for, for what? A 42% pay cut? It’s a much better story.

Scoop