Originally Posted by
fanaticalflyer
Motch,
Let's go back to your original post. ALPA and everyone has harped on this for years to never ever just pick up a call from Crew Scheduling, ever!! So no excuse for that pilot. I'll just assume he was a "NEW" guy.
I agree with you. But the problem I see is this- and it has happened to me once-
You have a 650 wake up call in Munich and the wake up calls usually happen pretty close to on time! (German Efficiency) Well, the call at 650ish was from crew scheduling!
So you answer the phone and low and behold, it's not your wakeup call.. it's your soft reset.
What I'm trying to point out is that not answering your cell phone on an international flight is somewhat different than not answering your phone when at home, or on a domestic flight.
Hell, I would say that 30% of the pilots I fly with (internationally) don't have a plan that works overseas!
So it's easy not to pick up your cell phone overseas. A little different with regards to the hotel phone.
Originally Posted by
fanaticalflyer
Now you said you and another guy confirmed on CCS, your change to your pairing - the soft start. So purposely clicked on it. So in both instances you did two-way communication with Crew Sked.
Agreed. No excuse. Sometimes, **** happens.
Originally Posted by
fanaticalflyer
When you open up Pilot Mobile, the soft start is right there in your pairing. No schedule modification is required. So if CS left you a VM and/or you happened to look go into EZCCS or crew companion directly, of course, the first thing you will see is pairing mod before you can go any further. Stick with your pilot mobile app.
This is where I'm asking the question about what does logging on to our IPad BEFORE actual report time mean.
I boot up the IPad, go to PM and (don't remember how it looks but-) IF the Soft Start is right there in your pairing, and the company knows (since they have the ability to know when we use the IPad) that you just logged into PM.. is that considered 2 way communication?
I can see the case where the company will say it is, and would imagine any lawyer or mediator would too.
I don't use EZCCS but for those who do- doesn't it also log into CCS to get it's info? So "technically", if you use EZCCS but do not acknowledge anything, would the company know you had signed in?
Originally Posted by
fanaticalflyer
I agree, this UPA has a ton of crap to know. I'm no expert and have to refer to the DYK, or ALPA PDR, or my iPhone Notes that have the same scenarios that come up all the time, which instead of memorizing, i refer to. But the one thing i do know, is to never answer a phone call from CS or click on a pairing mod, until i know what's up - Unless a premium trip is open on my day off!
LOL
True!
I too have used past scenarios to keep a log of what to do an what to expect. Problem I find is that what I did/had happened in the past isn't necessarily valid today. Ie, the soft reset was an IT limitation years ago but it isn't today.
Just throwing it out there as it is an interesting discussion and I'm finding that when I talk with fellow crews, there's alot of different interpolations.
Soft Reset's were a thing we use to see flying International on the 756 out of EWR. Now it seems it happens more often than I would like.
Maybe we need some sort of UPA protection for when it happens. Like an hour of add pay if they are going to soft start us!
Thanks for the response!
Always
Motch
FS,FP and FtC~
PS) I write this for discussion purposes only. I do not expect to get any sort of definitive answer since this probably falls under a grey area with regards to 'work rules'.
But think it is something that should be made aware to EVERY pilot, at every airline.