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Old 09-18-2019 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by horrido27
I agree with you. But the problem I see is this- and it has happened to me once-
You have a 650 wake up call in Munich and the wake up calls usually happen pretty close to on time! (German Efficiency) Well, the call at 650ish was from crew scheduling!
So you answer the phone and low and behold, it's not your wakeup call.. it's your soft reset.

What I'm trying to point out is that not answering your cell phone on an international flight is somewhat different than not answering your phone when at home, or on a domestic flight.
Hell, I would say that 30% of the pilots I fly with (internationally) don't have a plan that works overseas!
So it's easy not to pick up your cell phone overseas. A little different with regards to the hotel phone.




Agreed. No excuse. Sometimes, **** happens.



This is where I'm asking the question about what does logging on to our IPad BEFORE actual report time mean.
I boot up the IPad, go to PM and (don't remember how it looks but-) IF the Soft Start is right there in your pairing, and the company knows (since they have the ability to know when we use the IPad) that you just logged into PM.. is that considered 2 way communication?

I can see the case where the company will say it is, and would imagine any lawyer or mediator would too.
I don't use EZCCS but for those who do- doesn't it also log into CCS to get it's info? So "technically", if you use EZCCS but do not acknowledge anything, would the company know you had signed in?


LOL
True!
I too have used past scenarios to keep a log of what to do an what to expect. Problem I find is that what I did/had happened in the past isn't necessarily valid today. Ie, the soft reset was an IT limitation years ago but it isn't today.

Just throwing it out there as it is an interesting discussion and I'm finding that when I talk with fellow crews, there's alot of different interpolations.
Soft Reset's were a thing we use to see flying International on the 756 out of EWR. Now it seems it happens more often than I would like.
Maybe we need some sort of UPA protection for when it happens. Like an hour of add pay if they are going to soft start us!



Thanks for the response!
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Motch
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PS) I write this for discussion purposes only. I do not expect to get any sort of definitive answer since this probably falls under a grey area with regards to 'work rules'.
But think it is something that should be made aware to EVERY pilot, at every airline.
Motch

Only relying to the pilot mobile app aspect.

Officially, PM is not considered notification.

2 options satisfy the the requirement:

2 way phone contact or CCS pairing modification acknowledgement. Period.

As to picking up the phone in the hotel room, I’d simply say wrong room and hang up.

Haven’t personally put in a wake up call in a long time. Alarms on my phone and iPad are more than sufficient.

Lee
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