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Old 04-20-2006 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
Ok bud. Whatever you say.
Bud? I doubt that you would call me "bud" if you met me in person.

Originally Posted by fosters
These guys pay for their flight training (around $45k or so for the private-multi commercial) and receive a job interview in doing so. Can it be done cheaper? Yes, but that's not the argument here...they're not paying MAG for groundschool, and if they don't pass and get kicked to the curb they at least have something to show for it - they still have their commerical multi.

A traditional "PFT" operation is you show up, qualified for the job, but you must fork over $XX,XXX for the training that the employer is required to give you in 135 or 121 ops. This is not the case here. They are paid from day one at mesa. Again, this is not the argument here however.
Specifically, MAPD PFT starts when you start the CRJ training.

Originally Posted by fosters
Would you believe that more of the CFI's wash out percentage wise than the graduates of the program?!?!?
Absolutely I believe that. But the CFIs didn't have a year-long CRJ prep course and 40 hours of sim. A chimpanzee could pass an RJ sim ride with enough training.

The way to look at is like this:

The CFIs spend a couple years learning the material...most pass the final exam, but a few don't.

The PFT's spend a couple years memorizing the answers to the exam...and then some of them STILL flunk out



Originally Posted by fosters
85% of the US Air EAST pilot group will retire in the next 5 years (assuming age 60 stays the same). There's a LOT of hiring coming up BTW.
You said the magic word...EAST. If the eastern boyz prevail, there will be a different mindset compared to the old AWA. Only time will tell on that.



Originally Posted by fosters
Instead of jumping on the bandwagon and dissing these guys, open your eyes and you'll find that everywhere you go there are exceptions to the rule. I met a United (MAINLINE) CA a few months ago who knew the CA I was with; this guy was hired at United at the age of 21 with 1000 TT and a few hundred multi after doing an internship there thru his college (NO INSTRUCTING BTW!).
There are ALWAYS exceptions. I'm talking to the average white guy pilot who doesn't have a trust fund, an uncle on the 777, or an affirmative action ticket.

I'm not jumping on ANY bandwagons...right or wrong or somewhere in between, my conclusions are my own and have been formed on-line and in the jumpseats of various other carriers.
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