Originally Posted by
Buck Rogers
Keep thumping your chests, I'm sure you believe what you're saying. I am equally sure that any Delta new hire thinks they have landing their dream job.
Sorry to say, my overwhelming reason fo chiming in was to better the profession for all...you at UAL and us at Delta, as well as AAL. Unfortunately, it turned into a pizzing contest.... but expected. The forums never cease to amaze me
BTW, Motch...I feel pretty certain Delta nor UAL will have problems attracting highly qualified pilots. Additionally...WTF has to prove themselves...talk percentages...pilots are pilots...FA's have a diff metric as do baggage crushes. Very few pilots leave, and very few are fired for cause
As a Delta pilot, you and your group have negotiated certain benefits that YOU have decided are important for YOUR group.
As a United Pilot, we (I) have decided in a different direction that we will go.
You guys give a PS payout to your 1st year pilots.. we don't. So be it.
I believe the benefits we do give are superior or at least equal to yours. You disagree.
Your right.
Again, the newhire in the January classes at Delta could make up to 16K versues 0K for ours. [Based on what percentage of PS and 1st year salary?]
You win.
How about the newhire in the Jun classes?
How about the newhire in the Oct classes?
How much will your newhires pay for hotel and transportation?
How much will your newhires make while sitting in the middle seat on a deadhead while on reserve?
Hell, what are your reserve rules vs. ours with regard to pay and QoL?
We can go back and forth all day long.
At the end of the day, IF the union pushes for PS for 1st year pilots, that money has to come out of some bucket.
(And as I think about it, not sure what the rules are for all the other employee groups- rampers, gate agents, F/A;s)
Personally, I think that while it kinda sucks that a Jan 2020 newhire will not see PS till Feb 2022.. there are alot of other things that suck too. It's called 'Life'.
As far as 'proving' themselves.. um. We ALL have to prove ourselves constantly in life. Not sure what world you live in.
At U, we have fired a handful of probie pilots in the past few years. Cell phone usage has been the major reason (from what I know).
So YES.. I do believe that a Probationary pilot (1st year) has to 'prove' themselves.
Great to hear that they don't over at big D.
These threads are GREAT for the potential newhire.. read about the pro's and con's of each airline.
Then make your wish list..
If you're extremely lucky, you'll get hired by your top choice and timing will be great and you'll have a fortunate career.
However...
If you're like the rest of us-
You'll get hired by ONE of the airlines you apply for, maybe not number 1 or even 2, and then you'll have to hope things stay good until the next downturn so that you have enough buffer below you and where the music stops (musical chair reference for the younger crowd).
Hopefully your airline fights to keep flying inhouse and have both narrowbody and widebody flying.. International and domestic.. with a bunch of bases around the country.
At the end of the day, there is NO way of knowing who will have a better career, both financially and Quality of Life- a newhire at Delta hired in Jan 2020 or a newhire at United.
But I would bet that they BOTH will have decent careers.
Always
Motch