id have to agree with BEEFF on the upgrade time.. there is a total of about 40 f/o's right now not including the jan 14th class.. and there looking to staff 5 crews per plane.. only 85 pilots on the roster.. so if u do the math.. it looks good.. its a good place.. ya pay isnt the highest.. but let the guys operate for just a bit and make some money and we'll see what happens.. but f/o pay is right on par with everybody else.. not to mention if oil keeps going up. we just get busier..