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Old 12-29-2019 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Most of those throwing “socialism” around don’t even understand what it is—state ownership, to some degree, of the means of production. What they really want is an advanced welfare state, which currently the fad. Sweden, most of Scandinavia, has a highly developed welfare state funded by a free market business climate. State provides many forms of social insurance—generously funded college, state funding or provision of health care, child care. Many of these services are funded/sourced thru joint private/public measures.

Karl Marx is spelled with a K, as in ?German, not C as in English. And, he didn’t invent unions, look up trade guilds, Robert Owen, and London Trades Council.

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Karl Marx (with a K - thank you) was a philosopher and social theorist. His and Engels theories were purely intellectual and complimentary to Owens practical social experiments. They were both instrumental with Marx observing Owen and others publicizing on the subject. You can argue that Robert Owen came before with his Utopian socialism experiments. Karl Marx analyzed and published on the subject fueling the first conventions on craft and later trade unions in Russia. The difference is that Karl Marx ideas resulted in an initiative by the people against the business owners. Owens ideas were a benevolent utopian initiative on the business owners part. Who is the father of modern unions? The intellectual revolutionary or the benevolent philanthropic? A case can be made for both.

Regardless of the above its time we as a country start realizing that socialism and capitalism are two complementary theories. One cannot succeed without the other. Some things must be state/federally owned and others must be left to operate in the capitalist domain. We as a people need to agree or at least acquiesce to a bias and decide which sector is appropriate for which domain.

That being said global warming is one of those things which cannot be left to the capitalist/free market domain for obvious reasons. Clearly we must be on the lookout for opportunism in politicians on both sides of the fence but for gods sakes don't stick your head in the sand and pretend that there isn't a problem and mans effect on climate change is all made up.
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