I still think all these threads are running around one central question: will the company ever be willing to put out the money required for solid gains in a TA outside retirement + fund this plus up plan? I get that they CAN do it, and without solid costing numbers we’re really shooting in the dark.

I’m a very pragmatic person, so all this hashing of coulda shoulda woulda it getting ridiculous. I don’t care if it’s a money grab or fair compensation for past wrongs. I don't care who is a DZer and who isn't. I’ve said it before, but if the company agreed tomorrow to a TA that gave us solid gains in most sections in addition to this plus up plan it’d pass in a landslide. My question to those who are in favor of this plus up is under what circumstances do you see the company agreeing to this plan? Us younger guys aren’t going to accept a crappy TA in order to fund this, nor are we willing to drag this out for an extended period of time. So what is a reasonable, within-the-realm-of-reason path to getting the company on board?