Originally Posted by
higney85
I’ve been watching this thread, just seeing it as a grenade waiting for explosion and thread closure. There is no definition of a deadzoner, there is only those identifying as such. Been listening to guys hired between around 1990 up to around 2014. Every pilot has there own idea of how they were “wronged”. I’ve yet to be asked the question just because I’m in the right seat. Fine. So here is my version of the definition as apparently, this is some “outside looking in” mind-craft.
If you we hired under a better retirement plan expectation, compared to today, you get to be a deadzoner.
That’s the easiest way to explain it. Move on. ALPA never negotiates for those not on property. Think about that. We don’t have a VEBA. Pensions are done with. Retirees get flight “benefits” and that’s reality.
You can identify however you want through negotiations. The company will not take on future liability for retirement or healthcare.
Remember- ALPA only negotiates for those ON PROPERTY. That doesn’t work with a min balance idea in the short term or with those who have many years to go. Sympathy is a meal, beer, or a coffee, not giving up a huge chunk of change due to the airline industry modeling reality.
Not attacking anyone, just stating reality as I “identify” it.
Couple of questions on the bolded part as I don't necessarily disagree with the other parts.
Am I (and others in my group) not still on property for however many more years? Doesn't Alpa still negotiate for me too or do they negotiate only for pilots on property that have more than a few years to go?
Whoops got one more question about this sentence: "The company will not take on future liability for retirement or healthcare."
In the past, as in prior to BK, the company did exactly that. The DB was a future liability and retirement medical was in the contract. Are you saying we should give up on that too? That is about the only one issue "NO" vote I will possibly have...
Denny