I've given you the benefit of doubt because I appreciate your viewpoint of looking at the big picture. I even think that our retirement ask is a bit crazy. However, our MEC has conveyed to you that the company has only offered a $28M increase and you side with management rather than get the least bit offended at the company position? I generally understand the that there is give and take, but $28M, with todays profits, is a slap in the face to the pilot group that has done so much for Delta. Dubya tee eff dude!