Originally Posted by RonRicco

I guess think of it based on what an informed, objective outsider would think. Profitability certainly plays a role as does our peers etc.

Our profitability should provide a spring board to very large gains! As it gets larger, is also has diminishing returns. If we were making 20B, it isn’t like someone objective is gonna say “let’s pay all the pilots a million a year since they can afford it.”

We can argue anything, but it isn’t like we are going to trick the NMB with fuzzy math or emotional arguments. No doubt arguing for improvements that someone already has like United, are very reasonable IMO. Since we have areas that are superior (that is why our pilot cost are similar) A reasonable person is still going to look at the totality of the items and determine how that relates to the rest of the pilot market.