Originally Posted by
galaxy flyer
See Adlerdriver’s comment. Atlas and Mesa, to single out two “new leaves” need to step up and say, “.try something else for a career”. It was two consecutive failed checkrides and FEB time, not sure if that’s still true.
Having been in both communities, getting a “pass” is easier in heavies than tactical. In fighters, weak ones either scare the DO and he acts or they kill themselves. In heavies, it’s a bit dicier as there’s the cover of being part of a crew. I was involved in three Flying Evaluation Boards, as witness, as board president and once as DO (alright OG) who went to the one-star recommending an FEB. One respondent was saved to go to a heavy, the other two respondents lost their wings and subsequently terminated at their airline, not because of the FEB, but behaviors tend to continue on outside of the military. Maybe there could be an FAA FEB process that isn’t violation driven.
GF
I know Atlas had the 2 strikes and then a ride for your ticket rule but that may be more of an FAA thing. It looks to me like CA circumvented that by never taking Checkrides he knew he wouldn't pass. That's why he "Resigned". Part of this probably needs to be that the "Resigned" loop hole needs to be closed when it's for certain reasons. If you "Resign" because UPS called you during training that you were breezing through then fine... If you "Resign" because your "Goldfish Died 3 years ago" when the company wasn't going to give you anymore training then it needs to count for something.
To me a training washout where you never bust a checkride because you were never recommended for it should count for FAR more than a simple hiccup on a Single Engine Go Around that's remediated and passed in the recheck. Some how CA seemed to have less on his record because all of his problems were "Resignations".
I like your recommendation of an FEB Recommendation for the Civilian World. Maybe a bad "Resignation" could come with an FEB strike or something. If it's seen again then any Type Ride taken again comes with an automatic 409 attached where the FAA sees it from a 3rd party view. If the FAA and 2 different carriers are all saying the same thing... I get it that in the Civilian world someone may wash out of training one time and maybe rebound. 2 is more than enough and at that point they should be changing careers even if it's more than 5 years apart. I'm not sure what you do with people who just fail to upgrade.